To Florus 5.26
But enough has been said against these absurdities. Let us come to the exceedingly tangled question I mentioned above, whose subtlety deceived your teacher himself. You tried to meet our objection not by explaining it but by putting forward another, more difficult one. I had taught that in adults who work evil by their own will, nature’s innocent beginnings are praised while the deviations of their actions are rightly blamed. There are two things, therefore, to which opposite judgments can apply. In infants, however, there is only one thing, nature, since there is no will. That one thing must be reckoned either to God or to the demon. I concluded that, if nature exists through God, original evil cannot be within it; but if nature is transferred to the devil through inborn evil, nothing remains by which the human being can be vindicated as God’s work. When you reached these passages, you replied with your usual good faith that my conclusion was true, but that infants too have two things: nature and sin. Yet sin, to recall the previous definitions, is nothing other than the will to retain or commit what justice forbids and from which one is free to abstain. With sin thus established as nothing other than the choice of an evil will, you replied, Epicurus of our age, that infants possess sin but no will. How disgraceful that is, the fourth book has already shown.
In these passages I said, ‘If sin comes from will, the will producing sin is evil; if from nature, the nature producing sin is evil.’ You tried to confront me with a question plainly not invented by you. Some years ago, when we were in Carthage, a certain Honoratus, a friend of yours and equally a Manichaean—as your letters indicate—put this same question to me. I mention this only to make clear that this is the question which deceived Mani and Marcion so many centuries ago. Against my statement, ‘If sin lies in nature, the nature producing sin is evil,’ you speak as follows:
‘I ask him to answer if he can. Just as plainly all evil deeds arise as fruits from an evil will as from an evil tree, so whence does he say the evil will itself arose—the evil tree bearing evil fruits? If from an angel, what was that angel but God’s good work? If from a human being, what was that human being but God’s good work? Rather, since the angel’s evil will arose from the angel, and the human being’s from the human being, what were these two before those evils arose within them, except God’s good work and a good and praiseworthy nature? See, then: evil arises from good, and there was absolutely nothing from which it could arise except good. I mean the evil will itself, preceded by no evil—not evil works, which arise only from an evil will as from an evil tree. Yet the evil will could arise from good not because the good was made by the good God, but because it was made from nothing, not from God. Why, then, does he say: “If nature is God’s work, the devil’s work is not permitted to pass through God’s work”? Did not the devil’s work, when it first arose in the angel who became the devil, arise in God’s work? Therefore, if an evil that existed nowhere could arise in God’s work, why could an evil already existing somewhere not pass through God’s work? Are human beings not God’s work? Sin therefore passed through human beings—that is, the devil’s work through God’s work. To say the same thing another way: the work of God’s work through God’s work’ (Augustine, Marriage and Desire 2.28.48).
These many words I have quoted from you have fully disclosed the very head and fountain of the ancient error. You have offered nothing sharper in your statements, nothing more intricate in argument. Driven across the whole field of debate, and expelled by hostile truth’s weapons from every place where you tried to stand, you have at last reached the cave Mani dug among the shadows of difficult questions. You testified to this question’s difficulty by saying, ‘I ask him to answer if he can.’ Since we both agree that the point is difficult, I urge the reader to attend with his whole mind. Let him follow the distinctions, subtle as the matter requires—distinctions which I trust Christ’s help will make substantial—first attentively and then confidently. You asked, then, where evil comes from. I ask what evil you mean, since this name is shared by guilt and punishment. Punishment, however, is called evil only in an extended sense, since the gravity of the judgment imposing it justifies it. You reply that you mean sin, not punishment.
Latin
Verum adversum haec ludibria satis actum est: veniamus ad eam, quam supra dixi, perplexissimam quaestionem, quae ipsum praeceptorem tuum sui subtilitate decepit. Oppositioni quippe nostrae, haud exponendo, sed aliud difficilius ponendo conatus es occurrere. Cum enim docuissem, quia in hominibus perfectioris aetatis malum suapte voluntate operantibus, et innocua naturae laudarentur exordia, et actionum diverticula iure vituperarentur; duoque esse, quae possint contrariis applicari; in parvulis autem unum, id est, naturam, quia voluntas non esset; illudque unum aut Deo, aut daemoni esse reputandum; collegique ut si per Deum natura subsisteret, non posset esse in ea originale malum; si autem diabolo transcriberetur per ingenitum malum, nihil esset per quod homo divino operi vindicaretur; cum ergo ad ea pervenisses loca, respondisti, fide solita, me collegisse verum; sed et in parvulis duo esse, id est, naturam et peccatum. Quod tamen peccatum, ut priorum definitionum recorderis, nihil est aliud, quam voluntas retinendi vel admittendi quod iustitia vetat, et unde liberum est abstinere. Constituto ergo peccatum nihil esse aliud, quam pravae voluntatis electionem; respondisti, Epicure nostri temporis, in parvulis peccatum esse, voluntatem non esse: quod cuius sit dedecoris, liber iam quartus ostendit. In his ergo locis cum dixissem: " Si ex voluntate est peccatum, mala voluntas, quae peccatum facit; si ex natura, mala natura, quae peccatum facit "; ea quaestione es mihi conatus occurrere, quam a te excogitatam non esse manifestum est. Nam cum ante hos annos essemus Carthagini, a quodam mihi Honorato nomine necessario tuo, manichaeo aeque, sicut epistolae vestrae indicant, id ipsum propositum est. Cuius rei ad hoc tantummodo feci mentionem, ut clareret hanc esse quaestionem, quae et Manem et Marcionem ante tot saecula decepisset. Sic ergo loqueris contra hoc quod ego dixeram: " Si peccatum in naturam, mala natura quae peccatum facit ": Quaero ab illo, si potest respondeat, sicut manifestum est, ex voluntate mala tamquam ex arbore mala fructus eius fieri omnia opera mala; sic ipsam voluntatem malam, id est, ipsam fructuum malorum arborem malam unde dicat exortam. Si ex angelo; quid erat ipse angelus, nisi bonum opus Dei? Si ex homine; quid erat ipse homo, nisi bonum opus Dei? Immo quia voluntas mala ex angelo angeli, et ex homine hominis orta est; quid erant haec duo, antequam in eis ista mala orirentur, nisi bonum opus Dei, et bona atque laudanda natura? Ecce ergo ex bono oritur malum, nec fuit omnino unde oriri posset, nisi ex bono; ipsam dico voluntatem malam, quam nullum praecessit malum; non opera mala, quae non sunt nisi ex voluntate mala, tamquam ex arbore mala. Nec ideo tamen ex bono potuit oriri voluntas mala, quia bonum factum est a Deo bono; sed quia de nihilo factum est, non de Deo. Quid est ergo quod dicit: Si natura opus est Dei, per opus Dei opus diaboli transire non sinitur? Nonne opus diaboli, quando in angelo qui diabolus factus est, prius ortum est, in opere Dei ortum est? Quapropter si malum quod omnino nusquam erat in opere Dei oriri potuit; cur malum quod alicubi iam erat, per opus Dei transire non potuit? Numquid homines non sunt opus Dei? Pertransiit ergo peccatum per homines, hoc est, diaboli opus per opus Dei; atque ut alio modo idipsum dicam, opus Dei per opus operis Dei [n63] . Haec tam multa, quae de tuis sermonibus posui, aperuerunt omnino ipsum caput et fontem erroris antiqui; nihil in dictis tuis acutius, nihil in disserendo perplexius attulisti; toto omnino campo disputationis agitatus, ac de omni loco, in quo tentaveras subsistere, armis infestae veritatis expulsus, pervenisti tandem ad illum specum, quem inter opaca quaestionum Manichaeus foderat. Reddidisti propositioni huic testimonium difficultatis suae, dicens: " Quaero ab illo, ut si potest respondeat "; et ideo quoniam convenit inter utrumque nostrum locum esse difficilem, ut toto animo adsit lector admoneo. Distinctiones pro rei conditione subtiles, quas adiuvante Christo confido pinguescere, prius intentus, mox securus sequitur. Quaesisti ergo, unde malum; interrogo, quod malum dicas; commune enim hoc nomen est culpae et vindictae; ceterum abusive supplicium malum vocatur, cum gravitate eius quo infertur iudicii vindicetur. Respondes, de peccato te dicere, non de supplicio.
About this text
Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.
Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.
Witnesses
- Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
- Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
- Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)
This is an AI-assisted study translation. Source fidelity and completeness have not been independently certified. Open Latin on each section (or the Latin source witness link) for the source text. This is not a complete critical edition.