To Florus · §2.218

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You certainly contend that in these passages the apostle discussed natural sin. Earlier, he said it existed until the law, so that we would understand it ceased after the law. Now, however, he says of the same sin that it began to grow and abound after the law. We have shown that both statements fit the catholic understanding we follow. But with what shamelessness are they claimed for your doctrine, so that one and the same sin is said earlier to have ceased when the law was given, and now to have grown? How, then, did natural sin abound after the law? Did the genitals begin to move more fiercely, so that increased and novel movements seem to have added power to your sin? Or was a law given to newborn children, admonishing those begotten from sexual desire—which you call diabolical and the root and fruit of sin—to amend what they had been made, and correct the activity they had undergone when their parents begot them? Were they finally to compel what had happened not to have happened, and by refusing to hear this incur the crime of disobedience? No fool, much less the law God gave, could charge them with that (compare Romans 5:13; Romans 5:20) (Romans 5:13) (Romans 5:20) (Romans 5:13; Romans 5:20).

Latin source witness

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Certe in his locis Apostolum de peccato naturali disseruisse contendis. Ad hoc supra dixerat usque ad legem fuisse, ut intellegeretur post legem esse desisse; nunc autem de eodem dicit, quod coeperit crescere et abundare post legem. Catholico intellectui, quem sequimur, utrumque hoc convenire monstravimus; tuo vero dogmati qua impudentia vindicatur, ut unum idemque peccatum lege lata superius quidem defecisse, nunc autem crevisse dicatur? Quomodo ergo post legem abundavit naturale peccatum? Acriusne coeperunt genitalia commoveri, ut de augmentis et novitate motuum peccato tuo virtus videatur adiuncta? An lex data nascentibus est, ut qui de libidine, quam dicis diabolicam esse et radicem fructumque peccati, geniti erant, admonerentur emendare quod facti erant, et gestum corrigere quem habuerant, cum eos generarent parentes? Cogerent postremo, quae facta erant, infecta esse, quod illi audire videlicet renuentes inoboedientiae crimen incurrerent? At hoc a nullo stultorum, nedum a lege, quam Deus dedit, poterat imputari.

About this text

Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.

Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.

Witnesses

  • Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
  • Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
  • Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)

This is an AI-assisted study translation. Source fidelity and completeness have not been independently certified. Open Latin on each section (or the Latin source witness link) for the source text. This is not a complete critical edition.