To Florus · §1.23

To Florus 1.23

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You invent the charge that I omitted the apostle's testimony, although it cannot help you and I did not omit it. I inserted it in the same order in which you had placed it. Just as I faithfully quoted it in the first book of my work, I also explained it in the fourth, though briefly and in passing (compare Augustine, Against Julian 6.75). Nor did I omit your mention of the catholic Church, which you had made so that those you deceived would abandon the catholic faith and yet, poor wretches, rejoice in the catholic name. Although words of that sort had no argumentative force, I nevertheless presented the opening of your statement exactly as you had arranged it. Read my published books; see the faithfulness of my reply, which you accuse of fraud; and for the present admit that I am speaking the truth. As for you, blush, if your habitual conduct will allow it. Your inexcusable falsehood has now been exposed. Falsehood is always disgraceful, but becomes more disgraceful when it usurps the censor's place and reproaches another person's beauty with its own ugliness. Answer, then: how does either the Church's name or the apostle's language benefit Manichaean ideas, that you should make so inflammatory a complaint about their omission?

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Apostoli me testimonium praetermisisse confingis, quod nec tibi opitulari potest, et a me praetermissum non est; sed eo insertum ordine, quo a te fuerat collocatum; utque in primo fideliter commemoratum, ita enim in quarto operis mei libro, licet cursim et breviter, explanatum est [n20] . Commemorationem quoque catholicae Ecclesiae, quam tu ad hoc feceras, ut catholicam fidem desererent a te decepti, et catholica miserabiles appellatione gauderent, non praetermisi. Et quamvis nulla argumentorum vis in eiusmodi verbis esset, tamen a me haud aliter dictorum tuorum caput propositum est, quam a te fuerat ordinatum. Lege editos libros meos responsionisque fidem, quam tu arguis fraudis, aspiciens, me interim pronuntia vera dicere; tu vero, si consuetudo tua permiserit, erubesce. Sed iam ostensa inexcusabili falsitate, quae semper quidem turpis, fit tamen turpior cum locum censoris invadit, et deformitatem suam decori exprobrat alieno; responde, quid Manichaeis sensibus aut nomen Ecclesiae aut Apostoli verba conducant, ut ea cum tam magna invidia praetermissa causeris?

About this text

Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.

Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.

Witnesses

  • Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
  • Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
  • Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)

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