To Florus · §6.29

To Florus 6.29

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Yet lest we seem to have passed anything over carelessly, consider another point. Childbirth pain is known to vary with mothers’ bodies and strength. Women among foreign peoples and shepherds, hardened by exertion, give birth during journeys with such ease that they tend and immediately carry their offspring without interrupting the labor of travel. Not exhausted by childbirth’s difficulty, they transfer the womb’s burden to their shoulders. Generally, poor women’s lack of resources requires no midwives’ services. By contrast, wealthy women are softened by luxury: the more attendants each has, the more she learns and desires to be ill, and she thinks she needs as many services as she has available.

The hands of wealthy husbands certainly never experience the first human’s misery among thorns. Confident in their resources and placed beyond fear even of hunger by extensive estates, they consider it beneath them to spend a moment wishing for fertility. Sometimes, as the poet says, they order: ‘Unyoke the oxen, provided you send truffles’ (Genesis 3:16–19) (Juvenal, Satires 5.119).

If, then, women’s childbirth pain belongs to nature’s arrangements, as shown both by irrational animals’ example and the precise divine pronouncement; if withholding of fruit and the rise of thorns were created among other things but made denser and more troublesome for particular people; if childbirth’s difficulty and soil’s thorniness vary with bodies and regions; if the former pang continues in women’s inward parts after grace, while wealthy luxury knows nothing of the latter; and if the reason bodily dissolution would follow was expressly stated and attached to the manner of making rather than to errors—then here too everything plainly agrees with catholic truth. Neither women nor thorns help you at all.

Latin source witness

Latin

Tamen ne quid negligenter praeteriisse videamur, accipe aliud. Hunc parturitionum dolorem compertum est pro parentium corporibus viribusque variari. Barbarorum certe feminae, et pastorum, quae exercitatione indurescunt, in mediis itineribus tanta facilitate pariunt, ut non intermisso viandi labore fetus suos procurent, et statim vehant, quae nihil pariendi difficultate marcentes, onera ventris ad humeros suos transferunt; et generaliter inopia vilium feminarum, operam obstetricum non requirit; at e regione locupletes deliciis molliuntur, et quo plures habuerit quaeque sollicitos, eo amplius et discit et gestit aegrescere, putatque se tantis egere, quantis abundat obsequiis. Maritorum sane divitum manus numquam in sentibus aerumnam primi hominis experitur; quin immo fidentes copiis, indignum se putant momentum aliquod votis fertilitatis impendere, extra formidinem etiam famis possessionum dilatatione sistentes, mandant aliquoties, ut ait poeta: Deiunge boves, dum tubera mittas [n179] . Si ergo et parientium dolor spectat ad instituta naturae, quod et brutorum exemplo animalium, et sententiae divinae proprietate perdoctum est; si interceptio fructuum, et exortus spinarum inter cetera quidem creatus est, personis tamen quibusdam factus est densior et molestior; si postremo, ut difficultas ipsa parientis, ita etiam glebarum spinositas pro corporibus regionibusque variatur; postremo, si perdurat ille angor post gratiam in visceribus feminarum, hunc vero opulentorum luxuries penitus ignorat; si resolutio corporis propter quid secutura esset, expressum est, et artibus magis quam erroribus applicata; apparet hic quoque Catholicorum veritati omnia consonare, nec quidquam vobis vel feminas prodesse, vel spinas.

About this text

Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.

Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.

Witnesses

  • Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
  • Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
  • Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)

This is an AI-assisted study translation. Source fidelity and completeness have not been independently certified. Open Latin on each section (or the Latin source witness link) for the source text. This is not a complete critical edition.