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From the same dullness you also produced this other statement: ‘God creates evil people in the same way as he feeds and nourishes evil people’ (Acts 17:30) (Augustine, Marriage and Desire 2.17.32), because the Gospel says he makes his sun rise over good and evil and sends rain upon just and unjust (Matthew 5:45). What you supposed connected is utterly opposed. God’s feeding even sinners and being kind to the ungrateful and evil (Luke 6:35) testifies to his compassion, not his malice. He does not wish the death of one who dies, but that the person turn back and live (Ezekiel 18:32). He does not quickly punish those who stray. He does this for no other purpose than that his goodness may grant time for repentance. So the apostle says: ‘Or do you not know that God’ (Psalm 119:75)s goodness leads you to repentance? But according to your hardness and unrepentant heart, you store up wrath for yourself’ (Romans 2:4–5). He also argues among the Lycaonians and the Areopagites that even in past times of ignorance God did not remove the evidence of his providence (Acts 14:16–17; Acts 17:30): ‘He did not leave himself without testimony, giving rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling their hearts with food and gladness’ (Acts 14:17; Latin numbering 14:16) (Acts 14:17).

His raining upon the good and the evil is therefore evidence of his kindness, which bears with and awaits those who stray so that they may finally turn from evil and do good (compare Psalm 34:14; Psalm 37:27; 1 Peter 3:11). Far from wishing evil to occur, he feeds even the ungrateful out of love for human amendment. Against this sign of perfect compassion, however, your statement ‘He creates evil people’ (Psalm 104:24) is evidence of perfect injustice. See how little you know what you are saying: you wanted to prove cruelty by an example of mercy. It is good to feed even evil people, so that they may be corrected if they will. But it is criminal to make infants evil, so that those who cannot will are nevertheless compelled to be wicked. Generosity exercised toward sinners leads away from evils; it does not compel people into evils. Creating evil people does not lead away from the worst things; it drives both the work and its maker into everything abominable.

You are therefore insane when you say, ‘God creates evil’; more insane when you try to affirm it through Gospel testimony, and specifically a testimony containing a great proof of divine goodness. Observe how much more strongly it is now turned back against you. God feeds even evil people so that through his patience he may make them good. Clearly, then, he does not create evil people. But if he creates evil people, he neither loves nor rewards the good, and finally cannot himself possess anything good. For a power that creates not only possible but necessary evils harms more effectively and violently than any evil will. Since this does not fit the Christians’ God—the one called ‘Father of mercy and God of comfort’ (2 Corinthians 1:3), whose judgments are all proclaimed just (Psalm 119:75; LXX/Vulgate 118:75), and who is said to have made everything in wisdom (Psalm 104:24; LXX/Vulgate 103:24)—you, like the Manichaeans, have no share in our understanding of God. Foolish inventions and sins attached to generation have drawn you to worship an entirely different maker, fashioned by Mani’s madness.

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Illud itaque aliud de eadem hebetudine protulisti. Ais enim: Sic creat Deus malos, quomodo pascit et nutrit malos [n117] , quia scriptum est in Evangelio, quod solem suum oriri faciat super bonos et malos, et pluat super iustos et iniustos [n118] . Longe enim lateque contrarium est, quod tu coniunctum putasti. Quod enim pascit Deus etiam peccatores, benignusque est super ingratos et malos, pietatis est eius testimonium, non malignitatis; qui non vult quippe mortem morientis, sed ut revertatur et vivat [n119] ; nec cito punit errantes; nec ob aliud id facit, quam ut bonitas eius paenitentiae tempus indulgeat. Sic enim ait Apostolus: An ignoras, quoniam bonitas Dei ad paenitentiam te adducit? Secundum autem duritiam tuam et cor impaenitens tu tibi thesaurizas iram [n120] . Disputat etiam apud Lycaones et Areopagitas, quoniam Deus nec temporibus praeteritae ignorantiae, providentiae suae documenta submoverit. Neque enim sine testimonio reliquit semetipsum, dans, inquit, pluvias de caelo, et tempora fructifera, implens cibo et laetitia corda eorum [n121] . Hoc ergo quod pluit super bonos et super malos, documentum est benignitatis eius, quae ideo sustinet et exspectat errantes, ut recedant tandem a malo et faciant bonum. In tantum ergo non vult fieri malum, ut amore etiam emendationis humanae pascat etiam ingratos. Ad id perfectae pietatis indicium illud vero quod dicis: Creat malos, perfectae iniquitatis testimonium est. Vide ergo quam nescias quid loquaris, qui de exemplo misericordiae voluisti crudelitatem probare. Bonum est enim pascere etiam malos, ut si voluerint, corrigantur; scelestum autem facere parvulos malos, ut qui velle non possunt, iniqui tamen esse cogantur. Liberalitas ergo in peccatores exercita abducit a malis, non in mala cogit. Conditio autem malorum non abducit a pessimis; sed et opus et operatorem in nefaria cuncta compellit. Insanis ergo cum dicis: Creat malum Deus; sed plus insanis, cum id Evangelii testimonio affirmare conaris, et eo testimonio in quo grande est argumentum bonitatis divinae. Attende igitur, quanto nunc fortius reflectatur; Deus, qui pascit etiam malos, ut patientia sua bonos esse faciat, manifestum est quod non creet malos. Si autem creat malos; nec amat nec remuneratur bonos, nec ipse postremo potest habere aliquid boni; quoniam quavis mala voluntate efficacius et violentius nocet potentia creatrix, non solum possibilium, sed etiam necessariorum malorum. Quod quoniam Deo Christianorum non convenit, id est, illi qui Pater misericordiae dicitur, et Deus consolationis [n122] ; cuius iudicia omnia aequitas praedicantur [n123] ; qui cuncta in sapientia fecisse perhibetur [n124] ; vobis ut Manichaeis non est in Dei nostri aestimatione commu nio; ad alium vos omnino quem colatis auctorem, tamen Manis furore simulatum hi, stulta commenta et genitalia traxere peccata.

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Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.

Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.

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  • Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
  • Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
  • Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)

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