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But let us proceed to the rest. Writing about me, after the words of yours I quoted above, you add the following: “After this he quoted our statement: ‘For this shameful desire, which shameless people shamelessly praise, would not exist unless the human being had first sinned. Marriage, however, would exist even if no one had sinned, for children would be begotten without this disease.’ He quoted my words up to this point. He feared what I added: ‘This was possible in the body belonging to that life, although it cannot now take place without this disease in the body belonging to this death.’ Here too, rather than finish my statement, he chopped it off, so to speak, because he feared the apostle's testimony: ‘Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body of this death? God's grace through Jesus Christ our Lord’ (Romans 7:24–25). For the body of this death did not exist in paradise before sin. That is why we said that in the body belonging to that life, the life that existed there, children could have been begotten without this disease, whereas in the body of this death they cannot be begotten without it” (Romans 4:6–8) (Augustine, On Marriage and Concupiscence 2.6).

You certainly keep to your habit, and quite consistently in this particular work: since you argue against the truth, you say nothing true. Yet scarcely enough corrections can be supplied for the countless blunders of your learning. I will therefore note briefly here that you deceive. You will understand, at least after this work, that I am unaccustomed to lying. Claim the whole possession of that vice for yourself, then, so that you may hear from the Gospel, not unjustly, that you are a liar from the beginning, like your father (John 8:44): either the one under whose dominion you say you belonged at birth, or your second, lesser father, who initiated you into those refined mysteries that cannot be named among decent people. I quoted all this in my previous work, though you pretend I omitted it. If you read near the end of my first book, you yourself will be able to acknowledge with what truth and clarity of argument it was refuted. Your statement was therefore destroyed by a strong reply in its entirety, not after being cut short.

Now listen briefly. When the apostle said, “Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body of this death? God's grace through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 7:24–25) (Psalm 32:1–2;), he was not referring to the mortality of our body, which animal flesh received through the ordering of nature, but to the habit of wrongdoing. Whoever, after Christ's incarnation, turns to the pursuit of virtue through the New Testament is freed from its guilt. There he speaks in the person of Jews who, through craving for enticements, continued to stray even after the sacred Law's prohibition. He shows that their only help in that crisis was to believe in Christ, who prescribed precautions for the future while granting forgiveness for past acts. Christ did not press the guilty by confronting them with punishment; he cherished those who ran to him in the most generous embrace. He did not crush those weighed down by terror but restored through kindness those who had amended their lives.

The speaker had already experienced this kindness himself: “This is a human saying: Christ Jesus came into this world to save sinners, of whom I am the first. But I received mercy for this reason: that in me Christ Jesus might show all his patience, as an example for those who would believe in him for eternal life” (1 Timothy 1:15–16). To make you understand that this concerns a bad life, not human nature, and to prevent you from thinking that the reason for Christ's coming meant he also declared infants sinners, Paul says: “In me he showed all his patience.” God's patience is what he speaks of to the Romans: “Do you not know that God's kindness leads you to repentance? But according to your hardness and unrepentant heart you store up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath” (Romans 2:4–5). God's patience is therefore exercised when he waits a considerable time for a person's conversion. But patience cannot be displayed toward infants. If there were sins of nature which the Savior attributed to them, he would falsely be called patient but most certainly be called cruel. Yet God cannot be anything but kind and just, as is my God Jesus Christ. Paul, long a persecutor, and the others in whose person he speaks experienced his patience: they were waited for a long time, even though they were freed late. The apostle therefore condemns human lives, not human nature.

In commending this grace to the Jews, since the Law punishes the wicked and does not possess the effective mercy of baptism, in which the sins of deeds are cleansed through a brief confession, he shows that they must run to Christ and implore the help of this pardon. They must recognize that the Law threatens the wounds of conduct, while grace heals them effectively and quickly. By “body of death” he therefore meant sins, not flesh. Had he been speaking of the misery of our bodily members, which you think resulted from sin, he would more rightly have called it the death of the body rather than the body of death. To see that Scripture commonly calls sins “members”, read what this same apostle says to the Colossians: “Put to death your members that are on earth: fornication, impurity, and greed, which is the service of idols. Because of these things God's wrath comes upon the sons of unbelief. In these things you too once walked, when you lived in them” (Colossians 3:5–7). See how he calls “members” the things he identifies as sins. And in the letter to the Romans itself he speaks of the body of sin: “Our old self was crucified with him, so that the body of sin might be destroyed, so that we might no longer serve sin” (Romans 6:6).

In the same manner here he exclaimed, in the person of the Jews, as we said: “Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body of this death?” (Romans 7:24). That is: “Who will free me from the guilt of the sins I committed when I could have avoided them, which the Law's severity does not forgive but punishes? Who can rescue me from these members, that is, from the vices I collected by imitating wicked people, until I built up a complete body of sin? Who, I ask?” And he answered, as though prompted by the voice of the facts themselves: “God's grace through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 7:25). It is God's grace that credits the faithful with righteousness without works, as David says: “Blessed are those whose injustices are forgiven and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man to whom the Lord has not imputed sin” (Psalm 32:1–2; LXX Psalm 31:1–2; compare Romans 4:6–8). He who makes a human being blessed is himself blessed, through eternal justice. By that justice he forgives only a sin that he could rightly have imputed. But he could not rightly have imputed it if the person to whom it is imputed could not also have avoided it. No one, however, can avoid what belongs to nature. Therefore absolutely no one can have sin from nature's necessity. Let this brief account suffice.

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Sed iam pergamus ad cetera. De me itaque scribens, post illa quae supra texui verba tua, haec quae sequuntur adiungis: Post haec illud nostrum posuit, ubi diximus: Haec enim quae ab impudentibus impudenter laudatur, pudenda concupiscentia, nulla esset, nisi homo ante peccasset; nuptiae vero essent, etiamsi nemo peccasset; fieret quippe sine isto morbo seminatio filiorum. Huc usque ille verba mea posuit. Timuit enim quod adiunxi: Potest in corpore vitae illius, sine quo nunc fieri non potest in corpore mortis huius. Et hic ut meam sententiam non finiret, sed eam quodam modo detruncaret, illud Apostoli testimonium formidavit, ubi ait: "ser ego homo, quis me liberabit de corpore mortis huius? Gratia Dei per Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum " [n125] . Non enim erat corpus mortis huius in paradiso ante peccatum, propter quod diximus: In corpore vitae illius, quae ibi erat, sine isto morbo seminationem fieri potuisse filiorum, sine quo in corpore mortis huius fieri non potest [n126] . Tenes tu quidem consuetudinem tuam, equidem in hoc potissimum opere consequenter, ut qui contra veritatem agis, nihil verum loquaris; sed numerosis eruditionis tuae peccatis correptionum multitudo vix sufficit. Ideo hic iam breviter annotabo, te fallere; me autem, vel post hoc opus intelleges, insolentem esse mendacii. Tibi ergo huius vitii vindica totam possessionem, ut ab Evangelio, nec sane iniuria audire possis, quia ab initio mendax es, sicut et pater tuus [n127] , vel ille ad cuius te dicis dominium pertinuisse nascentem, vel alter secundarius, qui te elegantibus, quae tamen inter honestos nominari non queant, imbuit sacramentis. Totum ergo hoc protuli in opere meo priore, quod tu praetermissum esse confingis; quod quanta sit disputationis veritate ac luce convictum, si prope ultimas primi voluminis mei partes legas, etiam ipse poteris confiteri. Non ergo tua detruncata sententia, sed integra valenti est responsione destructa. Nunc autem audi breviter Apostolus hoc quod ait: Miser ergo homo, quis me liberabit de corpore mortis huius? Gratia Dei per Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum; non ad mortalitatem nostri corporis rettulit, quam caro animalium de naturae institutione suscepit, sed ad consuetudinem delinquendi; a quo reatu post incarnationem Christi, per Testamentum Novum, quisquis ad virtutis studia migraverit, liberatur. Ibi ergo sub persona Iudaeorum loquens, illecebrarum cupiditate etiam post interdictum sacrae legis errantium, ostendit unicum esse in illa tempestate subsidium, si crederent Christo; qui sic indicebat cautiones de futuris, ut veniam condonaret peractis; nec insistebat reis in tentatione supplicii, sed currentes liberalissimo gremio confovebat; non exanimans terrore depressos, sed reparans benignitate correctos. Quam benignitatem ipse iam senserat, qui dicebat: Humanus sermo, quoniam Christus Iesus venit in hunc mundum peccatores salvos facere, quorum primus sum ego; sed ideo misericordiam consecutus sum, ut in me ostenderet Christus Iesus omnem patientiam, ad exemplum eorum, qui credituri sunt illi in vitam aeternam [n128] . Quod ut intellegeres ad vitam malam, non ad naturam hominum pertinere; ne per adventus Christi causam, putares ab eo etiam parvulos peccatores pronuntiatos, ait: In me ostendit omnem patientiam. Patientia autem Dei illa est, de qua ad Romanos loquitur: An ignoras quoniam bonitas Dei ad paenitentiam te adducit? Se ndum autem duritiam tuam et cor impaenitens thesaurizas tibi iram in die irae [n129] . Exercetur ergo patientia Dei, cum non exiguo tempore exspectatur humana conversio. In parvulis autem non potest apparere patientia. Si enim essent peccata naturae, quae eis Salvator adscriberet; patiens quidem falso, saevus vero certissime diceretur. Non potest autem Deus nisi pius et iustus esse, quod est Deus meus Iesus Christus; cuius patientiam, vel Paulus diu persecutor, vel alii sub quorum persona loquitur, experti sunt; quia diu exspectati sunt, licet sero liberati. Ac per hoc ab Apostolo vita hominum, non natura damnatur. Commendans ergo hanc gratiam Iudaeis, quia lex punit scelestos, nec habet illam efficientiam misericordiae, quam Baptisma, in quo confessione brevi actuum delicta purgantur, ostendit debere illos currere ad Christum, implorare opem huius indulgentiae; et advertere quod lex morum vulneribus comminetur, gratia vero efficaciter celeriterque medeatur. Corpus itaque mortis, peccata dixit esse, non carnem; nam si de membrorum miseria pronuntiasset, quam peccato aestimas contigisse, rectius mortem corporis, quam corpus mortis vocasset. Verum ut scias, secundum consuetudinem Scripturarum peccata membra dici; lege ad Colossenses, ubi ipse Apostolus ait: Mortificate membra vestra, quae sunt super terram; fornicationem, immunditiam et avaritiam, quae est simulacrorum servitus; propter quae venit ira Dei in filios incredulitatis, in quibus et vos aliquando ambulastis, cum viveretis in illis [n130] . Ecce quomodo membra appellat, quae peccata pronuntiat. Corpus autem peccati hic ipsum ad Romanos: Vetus homo noster, inquit, simul confixus est cruci, ut destruatur corpus peccati, ut ultra non serviamus peccato [n131] . Hoc itaque more et hic exclamavit sub persona, ut diximus, Iudaeorum: Miser ego homo, quis me liberabit de corpore mortis huius? [n132] id est: Quis me liberabit a reatu peccatorum meorum, quae commisi, cum vitare potuissem? Quae legis severitas non donat, sed ulciscitur? Quis me ab his membris, id est a vitiis, quae improborum imitatione collegi, ut peccati plenum corpus exstruerem, poterit vindicare? Quis, inquam? Et respondit, quasi rerum ipsarum voce commonitus: Gratia Dei per Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum [n133] . Gratia Dei, quae acceptam fert iustitiam fidelium sine operibus, secundum quod David dicit: Beati quorum remissae sunt iniquitates, et quorum tecta sunt peccata; beatus vir cui non imputavit Dominus peccatum [n134] . Qui ergo facit hominem beatum, etiam ipse beatus est, iustitia sempiterna, per quam non donat peccatum, nisi quod iure potuit imputare. Non autem iure potuit imputare, si non illud cui imputatur, potuit et cavere. Nemo autem potest cavere naturalia. Igitur nullus prorsus habere potest de naturae necessitate peccatum. Haec breviter dixisse sufficiat.

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Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.

Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.

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  • Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
  • Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
  • Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)

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