The early writers expected heresy outside the Church, not the Church's own fall. Hegesippus says false teachers rose once the apostles died; Tertullian argued that so many churches could not all have strayed into the same faith. 13
Westminster Assembly1646 · Joseph Smith1838 · Alexander Campbell1839
The Reformers said the Church had always existed but had grown corrupt. Later restorationist movements said it fell away entirely and had to be restored. 456
The answers given:
ApostolicBefore NicaeaNicaea and afterMiddle AgesReformation to today
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Before Nicaea
150–325
180c. AD
Never fell
Hegesippus (as Eusebius reports) c. 110–c. 180 ADMemoirs, in Eusebius, Church History 3.32.7–8
... that until those times the Church remained a pure and uncorrupted virgin, while those who tried to corrupt the sound rule of the saving preaching, if there were any, still lurked in hidden darkness. But when the sacred band of the apostles had reached the end of life in various ways, and the generation of those who had heard the divine wisdom with their own ears had passed, then godless error began to take shape through the deceit of false teachers.
Hegesippus sees heresies rising outside the Church after the apostles, not the Church itself falling.
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ὡς ἄρα μέχρι τῶν τότε χρόνων παρθένος καθαρὰ καὶ ἀδιάφθορος ἔμενεν ἡ ἐκκλησία, ἐν ἀδήλῳ που σκότει φωλευόντων εἰσέτι τότε τῶν, εἰ καί τινες ὑπῆρχον, παραφθείρειν ἐπιχειρούντων τὸν ὑγιῆ κανόνα τοῦ σωτηρίου κηρύγματος. ὡς δ’ ὁ ἱερὸς τῶν ἀποστόλων χορὸς διάφορον εἰλήφει τοῦ βίου τέλος, παρεληλύθει τε ἡ γενεὰ ἐκείνη τῶν αὐταῖς ἀκοαῖς τῆς ἐνθέου σοφίας ἐπακοῦσαι κατηξιωμένων, τηνικαῦτα τῆς ἀθέου πλάνης ἀρχὴν ἐλάμβανεν ἡ σύστασις, διὰ τῆς τῶν ἑτεροδιδασκάλων ἀπάτηςEusebii Caesariensis Opera Wilhelm Dindorf Eusebius Teubner Leipzig 1871 4 Internet Archive (First1KGreek TEI, urn:cts:greekLit:tlg2018.tlg002) · English: translated for this page from the Greek
180c. AD
Never fell
Irenaeus of Lyons c. 130–c. 202 ADAgainst Heresies 3.4.1
What if the apostles had not even left us Scriptures? Would we not have had to follow the order of the tradition they handed on to those to whom they entrusted the churches? Many barbarian peoples who believe in Christ assent to this order. They have salvation written in their hearts by the Spirit without paper or ink, and carefully keep the ancient tradition, believing in one God, maker of heaven and earth.
For Irenaeus the apostles' teaching was never lost and never needed restoring: it was handed on publicly to the churches they founded and kept there, so that even peoples who had no writings held it whole. The passage survives in the ancient Latin translation; the Greek of Book 3 is lost here.
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Quid autem si neque Apostoli quidem Scripturas reliquissent nobis, nonne oportebat ordinem sequi traditionis, quam tradiderunt iis quibus committebant ecclesias? Cui ordinationi assentiunt multae gentes barbarorum eorum qui in Christum credunt, sine charta vel atramento scriptam habentes per Spiritum in cordibus suis salutem, et veterem traditionem diligenter custodientes, in unum Deum credentes fabricatorem caeli et terraeHarvey (1857), vol. 2, Book 3.4.1 (Latin) · English: translated for this page from the Latin
203c. AD
Never fell
Tertullian c. 155–c. 220 ADPrescription against Heretics 28.1–3
Suppose, then, that all have erred; that the apostle was mistaken in giving his testimony; that the Holy Spirit took care of no church to lead it into truth ... Is it likely that so many churches, and such great ones, should have strayed into one and the same faith? Among many, chance never comes out the same. The error of the churches' teaching would have produced different results. But what is found to be one among many is not error but tradition.
Tertullian's argument against the claim that the Church had lost the truth.
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Age nunc omnes erraverint; deceptus sit et apostolus de testimonio reddendo; nullam respexerit spiritus sanctus, uti eam in veritatem deduceret ... ecquid verisimile est, ut tot ac tantae in unam fidem erraverint? Nullus inter multos eventus unus est. Exitus variasse debuerat error doctrinae ecclesiarum. Ceterum quod apud multos unum invenitur, non est erratum, sed traditum.Quinti Septimii Florentis Tertulliani Quae Supersunt Omnia Tertullian Franz Oehler T. O. Weigel Leipzig 1854 2 HathiTrust (Perseus canonical-latinLit TEI, urn:cts:latinLit:stoa0275.stoa024) · English: translated for this page from the Latin
Reformation
1500–1700
1646AD
Needed reform
Westminster AssemblyWestminster Confession of Faith 25.5
The purest churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error; and some have so degenerated, as to become no churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan. Nevertheless, there shall be always a church on earth, to worship God according to his will.
The Reformers held that the Church never vanished but had grown corrupt and needed reform.
I was answered that I must join none of them ... were all wrong ... abomination in his sight ... were all corrupt
Smith's account of his 1820 vision, written in 1838 and first printed here; it is the founding Latter-day Saint claim of a general apostasy. The 1842 printing survives in a rough scan with interleaved columns, so the quotation is given in the cleanest verified spans.
1839AD
Fell, restored
Alexander CampbellThe Christian System Preface
Since the full development of the great apostacy foretold by Prophets and Apostles, numerous attempts at reformation have been made. ... Since that time, the first effort known to us to abandon the whole controversy about creeds and reformations, and to restore primitive Christianity, or to build alone upon the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself the chief corner, has been made.
The Preface sets out the Restoration Movement's programme: a great apostacy had occurred, and primitive Christianity was to be restored. Campbell's remedy was union of Christians by restoring the primitive order of the New Testament church, not founding a new sect.
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